From: Monona Rossol <actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical Safety headlines from Google (16 articles)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:28:24 -0400
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You apparently have almost the same problem we have in the arts. Schools send graduates out that are supposedly prepared to practice art or theater or to teach them. They have barely heard of OSHA, never heard of RCRA, and are totally uninformed about basic safety practices and ventilation. Worse, the were taught in an building that was improperly designed and equipped to provide a safe environment for the activities and the materials they used. These people have never done things safety and have never seen a safe environment.
List, My personal experience was a bit different. I provided an introductory chemical hazard analysis training class that included a basic introduction to RCRA with proper waste handling to a group of teachers as part of a new program. Most surprisingly, the science teachers had never evaluated or considered the chemicals based upon their respective toxicity, physical hazards and had never heard of RCRA. After the class, I was approached by a new science teacher for a local high school who informed me that while her background was in biology, she had replaced a teacher who had a degree/background in chemistry who had been in the position for ~30-years and she inherited a significant chemical inventory, that she had no idea how to deal with. I provided basic instructions to perform a chemical inventory and I would help her classify the waste streams for proper disposal. Upon receiving and reviewing the chemical inventory, I required her to obtain an EPA ID Number (the school did not know that they needed to obtain one), to NOT touch any container and simply lock the cabinets until qualified personnel could come in and remove the peroxide formers, reactive chemicals, etc., that had been accumulating in the storage spaces for the past 30-years. I then had a qualified hazardous waste disposal company come in to properly (and legally) classify, handle and dispose of the chemicals which had accumulated over that time. The company I used performed the disposal action in off-school hours and no incidents resulted. What I was perplexed by then and now, is how can any science teacher assume the role without knowing the fundamental and rudimentary requirements to keep themselves and their students safe? I honestly thought schools were beginning to teach safer science practices. BruceV -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Marlyn Newhouse Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:44 PM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical Safety headlines from Google (16 articles) Dear Ones, I would like to add to the discussion as a safety consultant to schools in our area. When a major industry in our area closed, they "donated" chemicals to the local HS years ago ( 70's or 80''s). EPA had a program (in the 90's?) where they would collect at a reduced cost to the school " hazardous chemicals". This was a day or two prior to the collection of "household hazardous waste" in the community. I was called upon to help distinguish between "hazardous", non hazardous and recycle chemicals. Our university received the "recycled" chemicals as a donation of chemicals that we could use. It was a "win-win" situation. I can give more details, names, etc. when back to school. Blessings Marlyn Newhouse, D.A. Associate Professor of Chemistry 1050 Union University Drive Jackson TN 38305 731-661-5295 mnewhouse**At_Symbol_Here**uu.edu > ________________________________________ From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu] on behalf of Nail, John [jnail**At_Symbol_Here**OKCU.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 10:17 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical Safety headlines from Google (16 articles) First, a correction: Dupo (IL) HS, not Dupont. Now, more to the point - I'm not surprised that a HS chemistry lab would have potassium cyanide - likely it was purchased decades ago - chem labs and safety issues were MUCH different then than today. Many of us remember the picric acid in HS chemistry lab stockroom stories. Don't assume that the education environment is anything like the industrial environment in regards to health and safety. The problem is that for many schools, including some colleges and universities, there isn't a good way of disposing of chemicals such as KCN as the personnel involved may not know who to call or much more likely, don't have the funds to pay for hazardous waste disposal. I note that KCN is on EPA's 'P' list - EPA regulations (at least those from 10 years ago) made it very difficult for CESQGs to dispose of more than 1 kg of P listed waste. If you can't reasonably easily dispose of a chemical, the default is to keep it; the result is that it occupies stockroom space until an unintended event occurs. John Nail Professor of Chemistry Oklahoma City University From: DCHAS-L Discussion List <dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu<mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu>> on behalf of McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US<mailto:Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>> Reply-To: DCHAS-L <dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu<mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu>> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 9:10 AM To: "DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU<mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU>" <dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu<mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu>> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical Safety headlines from Google (16 articles) Re: the chemical spill at Dupont High School: What in the WORLD was potassium cyanide doing in a high school in the first place? --------------------------------------------- CHEMICAL SPILL AT DUPO HIGH SCHOOL Tags: us_IL, laboratory, release, response, cyanide DUPO, IL (KTVI) - A St. Clair County hazmat crew was called to Dupo High School Friday night after a potentially dangerous chemical spill. A teacher conducting inventory in the school science lab accidentally knocked over a bottle of potassium cyanide. The chemical can be dangerous to inhale if it interacts with other chemicals. Residents in nearby homes were told to stay inside their homes and a few businesses had to be evacuated. ---------------------------------------------
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